From d1ece5ed1962033c7f77d5ef24c855508dfe95b4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "Andreas K. Hüttel" Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:50:28 +0000 Subject: new meeting log, new lead --- meeting-logs/kde-project-meeting-log-20130321.txt | 368 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 368 insertions(+) create mode 100644 meeting-logs/kde-project-meeting-log-20130321.txt diff --git a/meeting-logs/kde-project-meeting-log-20130321.txt b/meeting-logs/kde-project-meeting-log-20130321.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..98ea3da --- /dev/null +++ b/meeting-logs/kde-project-meeting-log-20130321.txt @@ -0,0 +1,368 @@ +[20:02:32] !herd kde +[20:02:32] (kde) abcd, ago, alexxy, creffett, dastergon, dilfridge, jmbsvicetto, johu, kensington, mschiff, patrick, reavertm, scarabeus, thev00d00 +[20:02:41] roll call: +[20:02:47] -*- ago obviously here +[20:02:51] * dilfridge has changed topic for #gentoo-meetings to: "Gentoo Meetings | KDE team meeting Thu 21/Mar/2013 19:00 UTC, agenda http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:KDE/Meeting/2013-03" +[20:03:00] -*- dilfridge obviously here +[20:03:08] -*- creffett here +[20:03:11] -*- dastergon here +[20:03:39] is needed a minimum number of people to start? +[20:03:44] 5, I think +[20:03:52] not really, more something like a minimum 5min waiting :D +[20:03:57] Do you guys need anything from me? +[20:04:09] ok, we are jmbsvicetto probably a vote for the lead +[20:04:14] err +[20:04:20] s/ok, we are// +[20:04:24] jmbsvicetto: nothing specific I think +[20:04:32] Are we voting for a new lead? +[20:04:44] yes no maybe +[20:04:47] I guess so? +[20:04:49] Shouldn't that have happened on last FOSDEM? +[20:05:12] jmbsvicetto: no +[20:05:14] we should indeed reintroduce that tradition +[20:06:20] ok, next roll call at 19:15 +[20:06:48] --> lmiphay (~lmiphay@86-45-45-142-dynamic.b-ras2.prp.dublin.eircom.net) hat #gentoo-meetings betreten +[20:07:19] kensington, creffett: since you handle the announce of the meeting in the lists, please cc kde-stable next time. +[20:07:29] well, I've been away for a long time, so you're all more qualified than me about the kde issues. I trust your opinion and will go with the majority vote +[20:07:36] lol +[20:07:52] ago: okay +[20:08:10] --> scarabeus (~scarabeus@gentoo/developer/flyingspaghettimonster/scarabeus) hat #gentoo-meetings betreten +[20:08:17] pookaboo +[20:08:24] -*- jmorgan1 here +[20:08:31] whoaa, our flyping spaghetti monster is here? O_O +[20:08:40] even the *flying* ;) +[20:09:25] -*- creffett wonders why we always have such good turnout when someone besides me sends the email :P +[20:09:26] jmbsvicetto: and we too need to plan out delivery of your camera finaly :D i am still walking around it and puting it to various shelfs... it still does not fit into czech republic :D +[20:09:50] scarabeus: hehe +[20:09:52] scarabeus: sorry about that +[20:10:11] scarabeus: If things go as well as I hope, I'll be asking you soon to send it to me ;) +[20:10:20] splendid :-) +[20:11:27] anyway, I'm sorry guys but I need to leave now. Have a good meeting +[20:13:32] ago: roll call no2 ? +[20:14:17] dastergon: just wait another min +[20:14:22] i guess ago is waiting for the clock to strike 20:15 :] +[20:14:52] http://www.portale.it/orario.php :D +[20:14:58] im going to add myself to herd +[20:15:05] any objections? +[20:15:26] !herd kde +[20:15:26] go for it +[20:15:26] (kde) abcd, ago, alexxy, creffett, dastergon, dilfridge, jmbsvicetto, johu, kensington, mschiff, patrick, reavertm, scarabeus, thev00d00 +[20:15:30] 2° roll call: +[20:15:30] nope not here, go for it +[20:15:36] -*- ago here +[20:15:38] -*- dilfridge present +[20:15:45] jmorgan1: you can add, but still pretty female would make me more happy :D +[20:15:46] -*- dastergon here +[20:15:46] jmorgan1: you are welcome +[20:15:50] -*- scarabeus around +[20:15:51] here +[20:16:04] <-- ABCD (~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Read error: Connection reset by peer) +[20:16:21] --> ABCD (~quassel@gentoo/developer/abcd) hat #gentoo-meetings betreten +[20:16:38] ok, we are 5, we can go ahead? +[20:16:46] ok we're 6, we go ahead +[20:17:06] 1) Project lead (5 minutes) +[20:17:30] any volunteers? +[20:17:32] Last time the vote was between johu_ and scarabeus....so is scarabeus available to do it? +[20:17:38] is there someone else? +[20:17:54] well +[20:18:04] I could, I guess +[20:18:42] creffett: go for it, everyone deserves the hat from time to time :P +[20:18:46] if the only alternative is that the current situation continues, I could do it, but I'm not infinitely happy about it +[20:19:05] creffett: excellent! +[20:19:18] ok, creffett for the lead is fine for me: +1 +[20:19:33] -*- dastergon votes creffett :) +[20:19:37] creffett++ +[20:20:07] jmorgan1: feel free to approve disapprove also if you are fresh here +[20:20:38] i concure +[20:20:40] creffett: take my sentene as ++ for you :-) +[20:20:51] okay then. +[20:20:53] jmbsvicetto: still here for the vote? +[20:21:14] that's a comfortable majority already +[20:21:31] congrats creffett ! +[20:21:36] -*- creffett bows +[20:21:40] autokick in -kde done :P +[20:21:42] cheers +[20:22:09] next point +[20:22:14] 2) KDE 4.10.1 stabilization (10 minutes) +[20:22:46] I'm all for it, it works nicely +[20:22:49] this is a rapid bug search https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=4.10.1&list_id=1622108 +[20:23:05] dilfridge: vincent/peratu reports that does not work for him on ppc +[20:23:20] i filed one bug on ppc64 +[20:23:22] and jmorgan1 reports a failure of rocs +[20:23:24] we should add the kwin (window unref) patch, it is in stable branch +[20:23:26] ;) +[20:23:52] ok, the ppc situation is a big regression +[20:23:59] the rocs problem, we cannot do much about it, it's a gcc ICE +[20:24:16] you should show it to vapier +[20:24:18] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316988 +[20:24:25] 4.9.5 works on ppc/ppc64 +[20:25:00] jmorgan1: could you try gcc-4.7 ? +[20:25:25] sure, for rocs failure? +[20:25:28] yes +[20:25:29] jmorgan1: I usually saw this kind of error on machine with broken hw..how's the status of your? +[20:25:31] ok +[20:25:52] I will check too on my chroot +[20:26:09] yes, i'll look into both hw and gcc-4.7 +[20:26:16] any progress for arm? is the time to do it? +[20:26:55] jmorgan1: is this bug reproducible on ppc64? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316988 you are able to use the session? +[20:27:46] eww +[20:27:50] I know that backtrace +[20:28:17] ago: i'll take a look this evening +[20:28:19] dMaggot: ^ please have a look, does that look familiar to you too? +[20:28:26] dilfridge: checking... +[20:28:38] dMaggot: you are upstream? +[20:29:44] ago: I fixed that crash in other archs +[20:30:07] the question is, why is it still around on ppc? +[20:30:19] or is it a similar but different problem? +[20:30:26] ok, I merged 4.10.1 on 2 machines...looks ok for both...my vote is yes for amd64/x86 and not now for ppc/ppc64/arm +[20:30:40] +1 +[20:30:52] +1 +[20:30:57] -*- ABCD is alive (and forgets when meetings are because they always are when he's normally supposed to be at work) +[20:31:04] sounds good (after adding kwin patch), +1 +[20:31:07] +1 +[20:31:31] +1 +[20:32:02] awesome. +[20:32:03] scarabeus: ? +[20:33:05] next +[20:33:18] wait +[20:33:26] who will open and generate the list? =) +[20:33:31] creffett: could you? +[20:34:00] ago: sure, I'll handle it tonight +[20:34:17] creffett: please also grab the kwin patch from git KDE/4.10 branch +[20:34:20] ah +1 from me +[20:34:28] i am still half page to the log :D +[20:34:33] creffett: ok, please send me and I check it with repoman before open the bug +[20:34:43] will do +[20:34:50] 3) Remove -Wl,--fatal-warnings ??? (5 minutes) +[20:35:16] that's mine +[20:35:20] It gave problems? +[20:35:30] basically we get build failures every now and then +[20:35:40] not frequently, most are on arm +[20:35:40] there have been a couple bugs lately that come from that being enabled +[20:35:56] it will NOT be removed upstream +[20:36:19] -*- dilfridge had a discussion with a couple of kde bigshots about it +[20:36:49] dilfridge: how sounds enable it with a var? +[20:36:49] usually, the linker warning should be fixed in the package, not ignored +[20:36:59] so who has problem is able to drop it +[20:37:35] not easy, because it is fixed in cmake files installed by kdelibs +[20:38:45] technically developer profile should enable it +[20:38:52] we should not enable it on desktop profile +[20:38:54] we could add some magic to the eclass that patches package cmake files and disables it on request, but that may be more pain than before +[20:38:55] ok, I have not particular vote for it, if it is needed, do it +[20:39:14] scarabeus' idea sounds ok, the question is how to best do it +[20:39:41] easiest way would be to conditionally patch kdelibs with a useflag +[20:39:50] that applies to all kde packages then +[20:42:01] -*- creffett is a bit nervous about conditional patching like that +[20:42:04] however that is not really elegant and does not do it "the Gentoo way" +[20:42:24] dilfridge: nope, just remove it from the cmake files +[20:42:30] and then append it in profile ldflags +[20:42:38] but discussion on -dev prior enabling it treewide +[20:42:44] all the linking issues are actual errors +[20:42:49] so fixing them is benefitical a lot +[20:42:56] makes sense +[20:42:58] +1 +[20:43:21] I vote with the majority +[20:43:29] -*- dilfridge thinks we need diego back before we can ever enable it treewide +[20:44:26] dilfridge: the tbox script are public :) +[20:44:40] ok, suggestion by scarabeus: remove -Wl,--fatal-warnings from cmake files and start a discussion to enable it in the dev profile treewide +[20:44:43] opinions? +[20:44:47] +1 from me +[20:45:07] +1 with the majority (as I said) +[20:45:13] you can run tbox stuff yourself, just commit it to qa-reports git repo with proper script calls, the box is done it executes by-cron everything required +[20:45:19] +1 sounds fine with me, disscussion is good +[20:45:30] what is tbox? +[20:45:49] tinderbox +[20:45:59] automated build test system +[20:46:12] +1 from me +[20:46:38] tinderbox the fear of the gentoo dev :P +[20:46:47] creffett: ^ +[20:46:58] cool, i'll look into it +[20:47:07] ago: no opinion +[20:47:09] 0 +[20:47:57] that's three yes and two "0", I guess that is a yes +[20:48:06] ok, scarabeus's suggestion is approved +[20:48:29] scarabeus: mind start the discussion on -dev? +[20:49:37] there is just an update for the ppc crash: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316988#c3 +[20:49:44] does anyone use the dev profile? +[20:50:13] -*- dilfridge looks somewhere else +[20:50:16] creffett: I will ask vincenti if works for him, if yes I can ask qt@ if we can stabilize that version and open the bug +[20:50:40] ago: okay +[20:50:41] jmorgan1: I use default +[20:50:53] jmorgan1: not many, but still you can also add that to the default LDFLAGS in your make.conf +[20:51:00] 4) [semantic-desktop=] (5 minutes) +[20:51:08] <-- dMaggot (~user@201.227.175.3) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Remote host closed the connection) +[20:51:10] i'll test qtcore upgrade as well, i have both ppc, ppc64 +[20:51:47] ago: no subscription to -dev +[20:51:51] ago: so i can't start the chat +[20:51:55] --> dMaggot (~user@201.227.175.3) hat #gentoo-meetings betreten +[20:52:13] ago: scarabeus: I'll do it +[20:52:34] scarabeus: subscriptions are open :P +[20:52:47] 4) [semantic-desktop=] (5 minutes) +[20:53:03] so the = on semantic desktop was because it was needed due to broken deps +[20:53:10] nowdays it is pointless as everything was fixed +[20:53:14] so you can switch to ? +[20:53:20] ok excellent +[20:53:25] anyone objecting? +[20:54:03] go for it +[20:54:11] maybe we do that with 4.10.2, so nothing big changes before the stabilization +[20:54:11] sounds good +[20:55:04] good +[20:55:14] dilfridge: +1 you right +[20:57:01] have to change rooms, brb +[20:57:10] ok cu +[20:57:12] next on the agenda? +[20:57:27] 5) Remove obsolete news entries +[20:58:12] fine for me. I'd say to leave at least the last 2011-05-22-kdeprefix +[20:58:44] if people haven't upgraded from kdeprefix by now... +[20:58:47] we should remove it, because getting kdeprefix news on a *NEW INSTALLATION* is stoopid +[20:59:10] right to +[20:59:14] o* +[21:00:32] besides kdeprefix use flag was masked since 2009 +[21:00:54] +1 for removing the listed items +[21:01:14] +1 +[21:01:26] +1 +[21:02:47] +1 +[21:03:01] Like +[21:03:56] dastergon: ^ +[21:05:17] +1 from me, cleaning old stuff sound fine +[21:05:28] s/sound/sounds +[21:05:44] ok, next point +[21:05:54] Bugs (10 minutes) +[21:06:08] x11-themes/oxygen-gtk opinion? +[21:06:31] do it the same way as gtk+, i.e. two slots +[21:10:02] sorry I don't understand it at all +[21:10:21] we already have 2 slots in tree, what we should import from the overlay? +[21:10:28] Rename x11-themes/oxygen-gtk to x11-themes/oxygen-gtk2. Import x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 from the overlay or we keep x11-themes/oxygen-gtk with 2 slot and rename x11-themes/oxygen-gtk3 to x11-themes/oxygen-gtk. +[21:11:29] indeed you are correct +[21:11:59] probably the only thing that should be done here is delete the live ebuild in the overlay +[21:12:11] that bug it was also a topic in January's meeting +[21:12:24] ok, probably we forgot to delete it +[21:12:28] -*- creffett has to move buildings, back in 10 or so +[21:12:55] hmm when I move buildings that usually takes longer, need to find a forklift first... +[21:16:18] ok, probably all of us is busy? I don't see an active partecipation, maybe we want discuss about bugs in the next meetings ? +[21:16:23] err +[21:16:40] ago: just keep pushing :) +[21:16:44] <-- creffett (~creffett@gentoo/developer/creffett) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) +[21:18:12] kde-base/kde-meta ebuild improvement proposal (bug #456248, bug #460634) +[21:18:13] dilfridge: https://bugs.gentoo.org/456248 "kde-base/kde-meta ebuild improvement proposal."; Gentoo Linux, KDE; RESO, WONT; voron1:kde +[21:18:16] opinions? +[21:19:04] the attachment is not a diff :P +[21:19:06] wth +[21:19:31] the question has been asked and silence has fallen +[21:20:08] I agree with the quote "if you don't want all kde packages, you shouldn't use kde-meta". +[21:20:32] ok, real diff for all: http://bpaste.net/show/85433/ +[21:20:37] imho we could add (few, 1-2) useflags, as eg. "games" +[21:21:00] nah, too much +[21:21:21] ago: it makes sense if the useflag switches stuff off across several metas +[21:21:24] I agree with jmbsvicetto, so leave as is for me +[21:21:40] --> iamnr3 (~quassel@78.142.111.42) hat #gentoo-meetings betreten +[21:21:40] e.g. disables all games in all packages (not just kdegames) +[21:21:50] but just disabling one sub-meta makes not much sense +[21:21:55] yeah +[21:22:04] so, maybe just leave it as it is now +[21:22:10] +1 +[21:22:34] we can improve documentation to explain that +[21:22:54] or not :D +[21:23:17] scarabeus: ^ ? +[21:23:28] --> creffett (~creffett@gentoo/developer/creffett) hat #gentoo-meetings betreten +[21:24:07] -*- creffett back if meeting is still going on +[21:24:29] we couldn't end the meeting without the lead :p +[21:24:33] creffett: it is... just talking about useflags in metas +[21:24:34] i dont like uses on this +[21:24:37] oh, this one +[21:24:45] but i let you guys pick whatever rocks on your day +[21:24:53] we should prolly just propagate custom sets +[21:24:56] what was our original rationale for "no uses in meta packages"? +[21:25:01] no sets please +[21:26:53] back +[21:27:20] ok I think the best conclusion is "no additional useflags now" +[21:27:43] yes +[21:27:55] 5) +1 - remove old items +[21:28:10] -*- dastergon agrees with dilfridge +[21:29:02] +1 no useflags, I guess +[21:30:33] yo +[21:30:34] next +[21:30:44] Add 'app-arch/unzip natspec' to profiles/targets/desktop/kde/package.use (bug #457934) +[21:30:45] dilfridge: https://bugs.gentoo.org/457934 "Add 'app-arch/unzip natspec' to profiles/targets/desktop/kde/package.use"; Gentoo Linux, Eclasses and Profiles; UNCO; wyatt.epp:kde +[21:31:07] makes sense imho +[21:31:15] go for it +[21:31:22] kensington is adding useflags there anyway +[21:32:02] any further opinions? +[21:32:08] 1, +[21:32:11] 2, +[21:32:14] 3, +[21:32:17] yes +[21:32:18] seems not. +[21:32:20] yes +[21:32:41] ok +[21:32:45] remaining bugs +[21:32:47] dilfridge: is natspec enabled only for the kde profile? +[21:33:09] it would be only for the kde profile, yes, anything else needs discussion with more people +[21:33:40] I guess it should be enabled when people use kde also with other profiles, what do you think ? +[21:33:40] 5 more bugs to go, then we're finished +[21:34:04] ago: well, if we depend anywhere on unzip, we could just depend on that useflag too +[21:34:41] but we don't +[21:34:45] not in kde-base +[21:34:55] i think we should support kde profile not just kde use flag +[21:35:26] ok +[21:35:27] next bug +[21:35:41] Bug 435584 - kde-base/kdelibs - patch to fix directory icon breakage for NFS mounts since KDE 4.7.4 +[21:35:42] dilfridge: https://bugs.gentoo.org/435584 "kde-base/kdelibs - patch to fix directory icon breakage for NFS mounts since KDE 4.7.4"; Gentoo Linux, KDE; UNCO; nitro:kde +[21:36:03] basically nfs and samba are treated as slow filesystems, and icon loading is turned off. +[21:36:12] use reqests to revert that commit +[21:36:35] no real opinion here +[21:37:21] dilfridge: as said, maybe we can discuss this with more people partecipation +[21:37:24] :) +[21:37:26] ok +[21:37:36] in the grand scheme of thigns, I don't think this one matters enough to merit a patch +[21:37:39] I have a proposal as open floor +[21:37:52] so...I'd say resolve wontfix and point out that we already do support epatch_user +[21:37:59] ago: slacker marks for kde meetings? +[21:39:02] dilfridge: ahaha no. the herds contain 14 people, but in the meeting there are always few. So probably we can make a file where someone can say the time preference and in case we can review the meeting time ? +[21:39:10] e.g. kensington is unable to partecipate +[21:42:06] ok shall we close the meeting and continue next month? +[21:42:13] one more item +[21:42:18] open floor ?? +[21:42:28] im looking to stable kde-4.9.5 on ppc64 +[21:42:34] ok +[21:42:48] i think ppc is already stable +[21:43:14] bugs can be assigned to me if needed +[21:43:58] objections? +[21:44:20] jmorgan1: do it to me :) I will handle as kde-stable +[21:44:33] then since it will be stable, you are welcome as ppc64 member +[21:44:40] ago: ok, cool +[21:44:45] oh, to kde-stable? +[21:45:06] you can add as x86_64 too then +[21:45:19] jmorgan1: but, since we will stabilize 4.10.1 in few time and remove 4.9.5, make sense stabilize 495 now? +[21:45:42] well, let me test qtcore upgrade to fix rocs issue +[21:45:51] if that works, then no stable 4.9.5 +[21:45:54] just 4.10.1 +[21:46:14] i'll check in the next 24h or so +[21:46:20] jmorgan1: ok.... +[21:46:21] have an answer +[21:46:42] thx +[21:46:55] dones +[21:48:30] anything else for open floor? +[21:48:36] yeap +[21:48:36] nothing here +[21:48:48] dastergon: go ahead +[21:48:58] last weekend I put up somre repos for qt-gstreamer +[21:49:06] that split the qt-glib thing from qt-gstreamer +[21:49:14] kensington is following on the bug reports upstream +[21:49:20] no news from upstream yet +[21:49:30] for those who didn't know I joined bugday team and I am trying to revive that day +[21:49:59] I'd like to enable the bugday flag in any bugs that you think +[21:50:23] it would be good +[21:50:29] to close them that day +[21:51:55] what do you think about some herd's bugs ? +[21:52:44] -*- dilfridge thinks it's too late to think +[21:52:56] -*- creffett thinks the same, and it's only 5PM here :) +[21:53:30] i think its a good idea assuming the bugday team has reasources to resolve/track them +[21:55:36] i have to drop off - next meeting +[21:57:25] anything else for open floor? +[21:58:35] nope +[21:59:12] I'm good +[21:59:12] ago: wanna close the meeting? +[22:01:21] ok +[22:01:28] -*- dilfridge bangs on the table +[22:01:30] meeting closed \ No newline at end of file -- cgit v1.2.3-65-gdbad